Comments on: The Israel lobby at work http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/ Musings on politics, history, philosophy, and life on earth. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:20:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Shafka Al-Husseini http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/#comment-494 Tue, 22 May 2007 16:15:26 +0100 http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/#comment-494 allah yir7amkom ya 7usayniya!!!!143 allah yir7amkom ya 7usayniya!!!!143

]]> by: S http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/#comment-415 Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:39:56 +0100 http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/#comment-415 the Simon Wiesenthal Center is not even a legitimate organization. They claim to be a charitable organization, yet they don't meet the basic standards of one, and seem to refuse to disclose basic information about their operations. hmmmm. the Simon Wiesenthal Center is not even a legitimate organization. They claim to be a charitable organization, yet they don’t meet the basic standards of one, and seem to refuse to disclose basic information about their operations. hmmmm.

]]> by: Wlodek http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/#comment-410 Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:25:25 +0100 http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/#comment-410 BRAVO Jostein, I would like to add that one of 10 comadments Moses received "you shal not kill" and right after, Moses and the rest of them until now are kiling people left and right, they even invented new word for that "COLLATERAL DEMAGE", but not in my country o no, in my country it is called terrorist attack .????? I'm questioning for a long time how bilions of people over the ages got themsefves in the Biblical religion/fanatisizm. Out of the whole book the only logical teachings/ideas for the whole humanity to survive in coexistance is in the New Testament. On the other hand my personal theory on that subject is as follow: No matter how long we will discuss here the religious or political rights of anybody we will achieve nothing. THE WHOLE THING ALREADY HAPPEND, AND WE ARE JUST ARRIVING ON THAT DREADFULL CAROUSELL TO WITNESS IT. We are just entering the worst anybody could emagine. About Bible, St.Malachy, Copi Indians, Nostrodamus, Wiliam Casey etc. the only truth is that they were able to see our future for some strange reason and some of them without being able to explain it the fenomenon they applyed RELIGION to it. Wlodek BRAVO Jostein, I would like to add that one of 10 comadments Moses received
“you shal not kill” and right after, Moses and the rest of them until now are kiling people left and right, they even invented new word for that “COLLATERAL DEMAGE”, but not in my country o no, in my country it is called terrorist attack .?????
I’m questioning for a long time how bilions of people over the ages got themsefves in the Biblical religion/fanatisizm. Out of the whole book the only logical teachings/ideas for the whole humanity to survive in coexistance is in the New Testament.

On the other hand my personal theory on that subject is as follow: No matter how long we will discuss here the religious or political rights of anybody we will achieve nothing. THE WHOLE THING ALREADY HAPPEND, AND WE ARE JUST ARRIVING ON THAT DREADFULL CAROUSELL TO WITNESS IT. We are just entering the worst anybody could emagine. About Bible, St.Malachy, Copi Indians, Nostrodamus, Wiliam Casey etc. the only truth is that they were able to see our future for some strange reason and some of them without being able to explain it the fenomenon they applyed RELIGION to it.

Wlodek

]]> by: One Goodman http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/#comment-327 Sat, 12 Aug 2006 02:11:23 +0100 http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/#comment-327 The aggression of Isreal against Lebanon and Gaza and the U.S. support of the Isreal in this aggression made me loose faith in God. I was wondering where is God? Then all of a sudden I stumbled on Jostein Gaarder's article and all of a sudden I smiled, God works in a mysterious way. I lost my sleep for the past 30 days since Isreal attacked Lebanon killing and destroying an entire cournty for the sake of northern Isreal and the whole world was just watching and no one dared to say a word agaist Isreal or US's support for this war. I found my God in Jostein Gaarder and I am not angry about the Mohammad's Cartoons any more. May God bless people like Jostein Gaarder who has the courage to write such an article. Jostein Gaarder, I will protect you with my life. Thank you and Thank you very much for this article and now I am going to buy every single book you have ever written. My special thanks to the Haaretz, where I first read about this article. The aggression of Isreal against Lebanon and Gaza and the U.S. support of the Isreal in this aggression made me loose faith in God. I was wondering where is God? Then all of a sudden I stumbled on Jostein Gaarder’s article and all of a sudden I smiled, God works in a mysterious way. I lost my sleep for the past 30 days since Isreal attacked Lebanon killing and destroying an entire cournty for the sake of northern Isreal and the whole world was just watching and no one dared to say a word agaist Isreal or US’s support for this war. I found my God in Jostein Gaarder and I am not angry about the Mohammad’s Cartoons any more. May God bless people like Jostein Gaarder who has the courage to write such an article. Jostein Gaarder, I will protect you with my life. Thank you and Thank you very much for this article and now I am going to buy every single book you have ever written. My special thanks to the Haaretz, where I first read about this article.

]]> by: George http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/#comment-304 Fri, 11 Aug 2006 05:33:45 +0100 http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/#comment-304 Believing, that "all Jews" and "all Palastines" are murderes, is strange for me. I have friends on both sides. There is the religion, since 1000s of years, there where always "wars" between the neighbours in that part of the world, for water, wood, food, .... this seems to be genetical for those people there. Look to their history. Both have not learned from racism and nazism and hate in the past, as they show it daily to the world. I think, they will never have a "peace" like other civilisations are trying to have, their "brains" are disformed. The rest of the world has to suffer about. A lot of the "public opinion" is made by special interest, on both sides. For my opinion the main-error was made in 1948, by GB-Government to "allow" building Isreal, by stealing the land from the people who were living there. "God" told them that's their own? Which God? There are lots all over the world, and there is more than "the only" religion. The history tells us, making war "in the name of God" is always said by people who don't believe in "Him" (or whatever the name is). The victims are always the people who want to live in peace, the children, the women, the elder ones. There are no "winners". Only those poor companies (on all sides) who invest in arms, bombs, and help with money to make wars and terrorism, and also those who "poison the public opinion with the real truth" through their publicity-channels. In this sense: Gangsters like Bin-laden or Samuels, what's the different? Guilty are both, terrorist of words. As long as a clear "Stop now and forever" is not published (and the Norwegian article can be a start-up), there will go on murdering, on both sides, as they did it in their history (with short interuptions (Egypt, Roman, Osman-Imperiums, but even they have gone down, follows the US?). Saying this, is ant-semtism? Ok, if you think so, than it is. Than I'm the "bad guy", as I was in war-times in Yugoslawia, during Apartheid in Southafrica, during the killings in Corea, Cambodia, Vietnam, Beijing, Armenia, Congo, Ethiopia, Kurdistan, Irak/Iran-war, or all other places in the world where (whoever) murdered "in the name of Freedom (commercial) or God (relegion) or both". Believing, that "all Jews" and "all Palastines" are murderes, is strange for me. I have friends on both sides. There is the religion, since 1000s of years, there where always "wars" between the neighbours in that part of the world, for water, wood, food, .... this seems to be genetical for those people there. Look to their history. Both have not learned from racism and nazism and hate in the past, as they show it daily to the world. I think, they will never have a "peace" like other civilisations are trying to have, their "brains" are disformed. The rest of the world has to suffer about. A lot of the "public opinion" is made by special interest, on both sides. For my opinion the main-error was made in 1948, by GB-Government to "allow" building Isreal, by stealing the land from the people who were living there. "God" told them that's their own? Which God? There are lots all over the world, and there is more than "the only" religion. The history tells us, making war "in the name of God" is always said by people who don't believe in "Him" (or whatever the name is). The victims are always the people who want to live in peace, the children, the women, the elder ones. There are no "winners". Only those poor companies (on all sides) who invest in arms, bombs, and help with money to make wars and terrorism, and also those who "poison the public opinion with the real truth" through their publicity-channels. In this sense: Gangsters like Bin-laden or Samuels, what's the different? Guilty are both, terrorist of words. As long as a clear "Stop now and forever" is not published (and the Norwegian article can be a start-up), there will go on murdering, on both sides, as they did it in their history (with short interuptions (Egypt, Roman, Osman-Imperiums, but even they have gone down, follows the US?). Saying this, is ant-semtism? Ok, if you think so, than it is. Than I'm the "bad guy", as I was in war-times in Yugoslawia, during Apartheid in Southafrica, during the killings in Corea, Cambodia, Vietnam, Beijing, Armenia, Congo, Ethiopia, Kurdistan, Irak/Iran-war, or all other places in the world where (whoever) murdered "in the name of Freedom (commercial) or God (relegion) or both". Believing, that “all Jews” and “all Palastines” are murderes, is strange for me. I have friends on both sides.
There is the religion, since 1000s of years, there where always “wars” between the neighbours in that part of the world, for water, wood, food, …. this seems to be genetical for those people there. Look to their history. Both have not learned from racism and nazism and hate in the past, as they show it daily to the world.
I think, they will never have a “peace” like other civilisations are trying to have, their “brains” are disformed. The rest of the world has to suffer about.
A lot of the “public opinion” is made by special interest, on both sides.
For my opinion the main-error was made in 1948, by GB-Government to “allow” building Isreal, by stealing the land from the people who were living there.
“God” told them that’s their own? Which God? There are lots all over the world, and there is more than “the only” religion.
The history tells us, making war “in the name of God” is always said by people who don’t believe in “Him” (or whatever the name is). The victims are always the people who want to live in peace, the children, the women, the elder ones.
There are no “winners”. Only those poor companies (on all sides) who invest in arms, bombs, and help with money to make wars and terrorism, and also those who “poison the public opinion with the real truth” through their publicity-channels. In this sense: Gangsters like Bin-laden or Samuels, what’s the different? Guilty are both, terrorist of words.
As long as a clear “Stop now and forever” is not published (and the Norwegian article can be a start-up), there will go on murdering, on both sides, as they did it in their history (with short interuptions (Egypt, Roman, Osman-Imperiums, but even they have gone down, follows the US?).
Saying this, is ant-semtism? Ok, if you think so, than it is. Than I’m the “bad guy”, as I was in war-times in Yugoslawia, during Apartheid in Southafrica, during the killings in Corea, Cambodia, Vietnam, Beijing, Armenia, Congo, Ethiopia, Kurdistan, Irak/Iran-war, or all other places in the world where (whoever) murdered “in the name of Freedom (commercial) or God (relegion) or both”. Believing, that “all Jews” and “all Palastines” are murderes, is strange for me. I have friends on both sides.
There is the religion, since 1000s of years, there where always “wars” between the neighbours in that part of the world, for water, wood, food, …. this seems to be genetical for those people there. Look to their history. Both have not learned from racism and nazism and hate in the past, as they show it daily to the world.
I think, they will never have a “peace” like other civilisations are trying to have, their “brains” are disformed. The rest of the world has to suffer about.
A lot of the “public opinion” is made by special interest, on both sides.
For my opinion the main-error was made in 1948, by GB-Government to “allow” building Isreal, by stealing the land from the people who were living there.
“God” told them that’s their own? Which God? There are lots all over the world, and there is more than “the only” religion.
The history tells us, making war “in the name of God” is always said by people who don’t believe in “Him” (or whatever the name is). The victims are always the people who want to live in peace, the children, the women, the elder ones.
There are no “winners”. Only those poor companies (on all sides) who invest in arms, bombs, and help with money to make wars and terrorism, and also those who “poison the public opinion with the real truth” through their publicity-channels. In this sense: Gangsters like Bin-laden or Samuels, what’s the different? Guilty are both, terrorist of words.
As long as a clear “Stop now and forever” is not published (and the Norwegian article can be a start-up), there will go on murdering, on both sides, as they did it in their history (with short interuptions (Egypt, Roman, Osman-Imperiums, but even they have gone down, follows the US?).
Saying this, is ant-semtism? Ok, if you think so, than it is. Than I’m the “bad guy”, as I was in war-times in Yugoslawia, during Apartheid in Southafrica, during the killings in Corea, Cambodia, Vietnam, Beijing, Armenia, Congo, Ethiopia, Kurdistan, Irak/Iran-war, or all other places in the world where (whoever) murdered “in the name of Freedom (commercial) or God (relegion) or both”.

]]> by: Gal http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/#comment-292 Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:42:05 +0100 http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/#comment-292 <i>I recall from my childhood the ditty: "How odd of God to choose the Jews" and the refrain, "It's no so odd the Jews chose God." This self-assertiveness is indeed disturbing to tyrants - as a voice for freedom, diversity and conscience - the Jew, as witness, has been a "light unto the nations" throughout the ages. Not by claiming an absolute truth, but as a significant or early warning system for, what begins with the Jews is often a barometer for the human condition.</i> I don't consider myself a tyrant, but what he calls "self-assertiveness," I'd hubris or perhaps self-righteousness. Anytime a group of people, whether they are Christians, Muslims or Jews, start thinking of themselves as God's chosen people and using that as an excuse to commit acts of violence against the unchosen people, they stop having any relation to God as far as I'm concerned and start being an enemy to humanity. Since religious fundamentalism is on the rise around the world and since many of these people seem bound and determined to start WW III and turn it into a holy war, perhaps the Jews are indeed a barometer of human condition. Woe unto us all. I believe the Jewish state has a right to defend itself, but I don't think indiscriminately levelling Lebanon is the way to go about it. They are destroying the lives of innocent people while creating more hatred and more enemies for themselves and the US, and believe me, we are quite capable of doing that all by ourselves. I recall from my childhood the ditty: “How odd of God to choose the Jews” and the refrain, “It’s no so odd the Jews chose God.” This self-assertiveness is indeed disturbing to tyrants - as a voice for freedom, diversity and conscience - the Jew, as witness, has been a “light unto the nations” throughout the ages. Not by claiming an absolute truth, but as a significant or early warning system for, what begins with the Jews is often a barometer for the human condition.

I don’t consider myself a tyrant, but what he calls “self-assertiveness,” I’d hubris or perhaps self-righteousness. Anytime a group of people, whether they are Christians, Muslims or Jews, start thinking of themselves as God’s chosen people and using that as an excuse to commit acts of violence against the unchosen people, they stop having any relation to God as far as I’m concerned and start being an enemy to humanity. Since religious fundamentalism is on the rise around the world and since many of these people seem bound and determined to start WW III and turn it into a holy war, perhaps the Jews are indeed a barometer of human condition. Woe unto us all.

I believe the Jewish state has a right to defend itself, but I don’t think indiscriminately levelling Lebanon is the way to go about it. They are destroying the lives of innocent people while creating more hatred and more enemies for themselves and the US, and believe me, we are quite capable of doing that all by ourselves.

]]> by: yankee http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/#comment-286 Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:22:03 +0100 http://sirocco.blogsome.com/2006/08/09/the-israel-lobby-at-work/#comment-286 Let's see...the "Israel Lobby" exists to support the State of Israel. Oh,yeah, it's largely funded by Jews in the Diaspora. On further reflection, the Lobby is hyper-sensitive about comments that can be construed as antisemitic and which are made by the current tenders of the largest Jewish graveyard in history, that is, Europe. And now that I begin to think about it, those wily Zionists are also touchy about Muslim antisemitism, most of which is really a...(surprise) European transplant! Hey, isn't the Holocaust still within living memory? I guess the Israel Lobby spends most of its time scared to death that given Eurabia's track record, and growing ties to the Arab Middle East, wish to turn Tel Aviv into Auschwitz redux. So I guess that those inconvenient Jews aren't willing to trust Europe's assurances that "single state solutions" and singing Kumbaya with Hiz'b'Allah will mean lasting security--or even survival. If that's what you mean by the "disgraceful" acts of the Israel Lobby, then I guess that's what the Israel Lobby does--protects the interests of the Jewish State against....I forget, what was it about Europe that scares Jews? Let’s see…the “Israel Lobby” exists to support the State of Israel. Oh,yeah, it’s largely funded by Jews in the Diaspora. On further reflection, the Lobby is hyper-sensitive about comments that can be construed as antisemitic and which are made by the current tenders of the largest Jewish graveyard in history, that is, Europe. And now that I begin to think about it, those wily Zionists are also touchy about Muslim antisemitism, most of which is really a…(surprise) European transplant! Hey, isn’t the Holocaust still within living memory? I guess the Israel Lobby spends most of its time scared to death that given Eurabia’s track record, and growing ties to the Arab Middle East, wish to turn Tel Aviv into Auschwitz redux. So I guess that those inconvenient Jews aren’t willing to trust Europe’s assurances that “single state solutions” and singing Kumbaya with Hiz’b'Allah will mean lasting security–or even survival.

If that’s what you mean by the “disgraceful” acts of the Israel Lobby, then I guess that’s what the Israel Lobby does–protects the interests of the Jewish State against….I forget, what was it about Europe that scares Jews?

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